What Fresh Hell: Laughing in the Face of Motherhood

a podcast with Margaret Ables and Amy Wilson

Month: November 2017

Episode 30: Mom Friends- How to Make Them, How To Keep Them

Do you go on a moms’ night out and talk about … your kids? Does morning dropoff chit-chat feel  like a middle school cafeteria?

In this episode we talk about deepening bonds with your mom friends, and keeping those relationships going when your kids graduate from whatever preschool or karate class brought you together in the first place.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • how to make the leap from a “mom chat” to a mom friend
  • whether you have to be a phone talker to be a good mom friend (Amy hopes not)
  • what to do when it’s your third kid and you’re plumb out of friend-making bandwidth
  • the Bechdel test and its useful application to your mom-friend conversations (if you don’t know “Bobby’s mom’s” first name, try harder)
  • imposter syndrome, sadly universal in the mom friend world
  • what to do when your kids don’t want to be friends anymore but you still like each other
  • how to maintain your relationships with friends who aren’t parents (remember them?)

We love this advice from Darcy Shapiro for Scary Mommy: “How Making Mom Friends Feels Just Like Dating”

A wise friend once told me about the rule of threes- that is, she always makes sure when she likes someone (male, female, friend or date), she makes a point of hanging out with that person three times in quick succession, thereby never letting the momentum lull. After three times, a level of comfort is generally established whereby it becomes acceptable once again to take things for granted and get lazy. I fully ascribe to this strategy.


If you’re looking for another great parenting podcast, check out Joyful Courage. Hosted by Casey O’Roarty, Joyful Courage is a “conscious parenting podcast” featuring real talk with parenting experts designed to support, inspire and inform those of us on the parent journey. Casey believes our kids choose us, and that the challenges they present us with are exactly the challenges we need. How’s that for perspective?

Episode 29: Small Town vs Big City (with guest host Meagan Francis of The Mom Hour)

City versus country (versus the great strip-mall in-between): where’s the best place to raise your kids? Amy hashes it out with guest host Meagan Francis, founder of the Life Listened podcast network and co-host of The Mom Hour, one of the top parenting podcasts on iTunes! 

For the other half of this Host Swap, our very own Margaret Ables is talking Regional Parenting Differences with The Mom Hour’s Sarah Powers this week. Give it a listen in your podcast app or right here:

If The Mom Hour isn’t on your podcast subscription list yet, it’s about to be!

In our own What Fresh Hell episode, Amy and Meagan discuss differences between big-city and small-town living like:

  • kids’ sports
  • academics
  • diversity
  • independence
  • culture
  • peer-led play time
  • minivans with trunks
  • high school interviews
  • friendships
  • basements, the lack thereof being perhaps the largest drawback of city parenting life. As Andrew Cotto put it in the New York Times:


…any movement is mitigated by the fact that we have neighbors downstairs who don’t want to live below the circus. “Please stop jumping” is the sentence I repeat more than any other while at home.

Where are you raising your kids… and does it have more benefits or drawbacks? Tell us in the comments!


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